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ProgTes · Nov 09, 2007, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Well... WoH just screams use me, use me! And if you don't like that, try the Healer's Boon/Heal Party combo. Add in Heal Other and you got yourself a new LoD infuser

Blackhearted · Nov 09, 2007, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Word isn't a replacement for LoD as it's a single target heal, not a party one. And the HB/HP(+glyph) combo is kinda bad cause you have to waste almost half your bar to do what a single (former) elite skill was capable of.

Spazzer · Nov 09, 2007, 10:42 PM // 22:42

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Originally Posted by Blackhearted

Word isn't a replacement for LoD as it's a single target heal, not a party one. And the HB/HP combo is kinda bad cause you have to waste almost half your bar to do what a single (former) elite skill was capable of.

Heaven save us from Glyph of Lesser Energy?

ProgTes · Nov 09, 2007, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by Blackhearted

And the HB/HP(+glyph) combo is kinda bad cause you have to waste almost half your bar to do what a single (former) elite skill was capable of.

Its only 2 skills... and the heal is better then the heal LoD used to give. And true, WoH isn't a viable replacement as it is a single target heal, but it still screams USE MEH

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you have to waste almost half your bar

What if A-net suddenly nerfed skill bars so players can only equip 4 skills? Lawlers

Kaida the Heartless · Nov 09, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Blackhearted

Well then tell me, since you seem to be so full of yourself and your *supposed* vast knowledge. What will be this viable alternative to LoD? To be honest with ya.. you'd be extremely hard pressed to find ANY viable replacement for it that doesn't suck.

Everything sucks in comparison because the skill was rigged in the first place. It was replacing the selfheal on everyone else's bars.

Stop looking for a single skill replacement. It's not gonna happen. It, in a sense, was packing the same bar compression as Shadow Prison. Like, 3 different people have said that.

Viable replacements are going to be across entire party bars, not just a single skill.

Age · Nov 09, 2007, 10:55 PM // 22:55

I don't really like the changes to LoD now that I had a chance to try it out I would of prefered maybe 10e and 10 sec recharge maybe but 2 sec cast.I only get 38 at 10+1 healing the rest of the changes I like especially on Word you can now infuse and heal up with Word instead of ZB.I have tried the HB+HP combo yet.

Grammar · Nov 09, 2007, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Wrong. People have just gotten lazy and LoD has become a crutch. Its never "impossible" to do something in this game. That statement alone kills your credability. Another flavor of the month will be developed by a player for you to copy soon enough, don't worry.

You're wrong

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Originally Posted by Blackhearted

What will be this viable alternative to LoD? To be honest with ya.. you'd be extremely hard pressed to find ANY viable replacement for it that doesn't suck.

And you're right.

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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

Everything sucks in comparison because the skill was rigged in the first place. It was replacing the selfheal on everyone else's bars.

Stop looking for a single skill replacement. It's not gonna happen. It, in a sense, was packing the same bar compression as Shadow Prison. Like, 3 different people have said that.

Viable replacements are going to be across entire party bars, not just a single skill.

Agreed. Self-heals/mitigation are going to make a comeback, and that will certainly help a little.
As I said before, we (all classes) need to make some changes to the way we play to help compensate, and many already are.

Kaida the Heartless · Nov 09, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

I think everyone is just having a little separation anxiety, that's all! :P

Pyro maniac · Nov 09, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by Frank Dudenstein

THIS is why it would be better if people with no experience in such matters would refrain from making comments like this. It REALLY WOULD make the conversation so much more fluid.

If you are wondering ... the intrdodcution of various Nightfall skills (mending touch, SP intsgibs, etc) have rendered an ele incapable of defending a base. THAT is why you don't see EP anymore, and everyone is basically forced to run LoD. It is the ONLY heal efficient enough to keep up with currrent pressure.

As far as HB+HP goes... it is far inferior. It requires HB, HP, and GoLE ... 3 slots for what you used to be one... and still lacks much flexibility. Monks just got ALOT weaker - with no corresponding weakening of offense. That's why everyone is complaining.

I was talking about pre-nf EP+HP
now it just sucks yes

As for HB+HP, you're right as well. But is it a bad thing?
My point is, there have always been party wide heals. Before LoD, and after LoD. It isn't the only party heal. If HB+HP is inferior, then maybe you should consider running self-heal and not spamming frenzy 24/7. (Or running sup axe runes like .. some guy does ^^)
It changes meta, but don't dare to say the meta after nightfall was that good ..

Legacy Virus · Nov 09, 2007, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Chthon

In general, I'm happy with this update. I'm particularly happy with the shift in monks to more healing, less prot, and no hybrid. However, I have two major complaints:

1. Nerf to Splinter WTF?!?!? It was a total non-factor in PvP -- when did you EVER get 4+ targets in the same spot? And it was powerful in PvE, but not nearly as powerful as, say, Ursan. Why take away one of the few ways for a ranger to pack offensive power in PvE for ZERO gain in PvP balance while leaving PvE unbalanced in many other respects? It just makes no sense at all.

2. Mhenlo. Overall, I like the LoD nerf. Getting us out of the state where a prot bar with 2 or 3 heal skills was good enough to cover two roles is a very good thing. I'm going to miss LoD for a couple of end-game bosses, but otherwise I can live without it. But Mhenlo is stuck with this newly-crap skill for life. Keep the nerf, but please, please, please change Mhenlo to WoH.

seriously.....you would have to never pvp ever in this game to think that splinter has no effect in pvp.
At VoD (which guild battles almost always go to now) splinter weapon could wipe out NPCs in a matter of seconds all at once.

NJudson · Nov 10, 2007, 12:09 AM // 00:09

LoD nerf...WOW! Wait, what is that in the distance I hear? It's getting louder.....louder...OMG! Could it be? It is! WHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! It's the whambulance coming to pickup all the whiners complaining about the change.

Ahhh...I shouldn't joke I guess. When the soul reaping change hit I admit I was initially upset. Besides I wouldn't be surprised if some of these skill changes reverted back to their original mechanics...maybe even your beloved LoD.

Lady Raenef · Nov 10, 2007, 12:13 AM // 00:13

I WANT MY PARAGON BUFFS!

You can't see me · Nov 10, 2007, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Everyone Claims LoD is so useless now. But if you run a Two Mo/Me Team both with Arcane Mimicry, and one running HB the other running LoD you have one kick butt healing team.

HawkofStorms · Nov 10, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by Grammar

You're wrong

And you're right.

Agreed. Self-heals/mitigation are going to make a comeback, and that will certainly help a little.
As I said before, we (all classes) need to make some changes to the way we play to help compensate, and many already are.

Actually, that WAS my point. People will adapt team builds. I've already seen Mo/E flag runners with HP in obsever today. Heal party will likely return to E/Mos as well.
Also, paragons can provide a lot of the passive defense to deal with/mitagate pressure.

Again, its NEVER impossible to do something in this game. People will adapt. They have to.

Now, explain how I was "wrong." Was LoD on every healing monk skill bar in GvG/HA? Was it used to a ridiculous extent to heal over pressure (rather then trying to provide proting or spreading out to avoid AoE)? I actually kinda agree with you about how the meta is going. We just disagree whether the change was a good thing. I think it is because it will force more disapline into the monk line's play style. Shaking things up is good because the meta was getting stale again.

PS You Can't See Me, the reason LoD is in trouble now is 2s just screams "interupt me." Also, the other team could spike down a target while you are casting it.

You can't see me · Nov 10, 2007, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

PS You Can't See Me, the reason LoD is in trouble now is 2s just screams "interupt me." Also, the other team could spike down a target while you are casting it.

So does Heal Party. Notice How I said an HB/LoD Duel Healer monk System w/ Arcane Mimicry?

That was a tactic used by monks in Urgoz Warren long ago. I think it will make a very powerful combo, what with the low cost full party heals.

And in case you didn't know, HB halves the casting time of Healing Spells.

If you still don't get it, look up Arcane Mimicry.

Legacy Virus · Nov 10, 2007, 01:26 AM // 01:26

how do you want those monks to manage energy...or deal with enchantment removal? ....the idea is nice on paper but you have to think about what those monks are going up against, this isnt pve were talking about, there is much more to factor in.

And dont say channeling...channeling is nothing in GvG

Regulus X · Nov 10, 2007, 01:46 AM // 01:46

LoD = Crap (might as well make it easily-interruptible, too...)
Healing Breeze FtL (gg anet more wammos and newbs trying to use it more often)
I'll just stop there...

Apperently Anet no longer gives 2 sh*tz since they made out with all the money from all 3 campaigns +EotN, and now plan to boot everyone from GW1 to GW2 and make waste of years-worth of gameplay in GW1. Oh well... no biggie, it's not like our dedication means anything to Izzy, just the money. I know I won't buy GW2 simply because there's been waaaaaay too much disappointment regarding updates (esp. dishonorable hex & loot-scaling). Sorry, but Anet = FAILURE at this point.

Grammar · Nov 10, 2007, 01:53 AM // 01:53

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

I actually kinda agree with you about how the meta is going. We just disagree whether the change was a good thing. I think it is because it will force more disapline into the monk line's play style. Shaking things up is good because the meta was getting stale again.

What I disagree with is the idea that monks can adapt to this nerf and still be just as effective as they were before, because they can't. Monks are now weaker; there can be zero debate about that. Just how much weaker is very much up for debate, and I'd argue that the jury is still out on that.

What I do agree with is that teams can adapt as a whole to compensate, as least in part, for the loss of LoD.
Things like self heals, damage mitigation, HP on an ele, and even the return of the ether prod HP Ele, which I've been seeing more and more as the day goes on, can all help cover the slack.

EDIT: The more I see it, the more I think 2 monks + HP Ele is the answer. HP is just really freaking good on an Ele.

magi of the light · Nov 10, 2007, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

LoD = Crap (might as well make it easily-interruptible, too...)
Healing Breeze FtL (gg anet more wammos and newbs trying to use it more often)
I'll just stop there...

Apperently Anet no longer gives 2 sh*tz since they made out with all the money from all 3 campaigns +EotN, and now plan to boot everyone from GW1 to GW2 and make waste of years-worth of gameplay in GW1. Oh well... no biggie, it's not like our dedication means anything to Izzy, just the money. I know I won't buy GW2 simply because there's been waaaaaay too much disappointment regarding updates (esp. dishonorable hex & loot-scaling). Sorry, but Anet = FAILURE at this point.

/agreed

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street peddler · Nov 10, 2007, 02:25 AM // 02:25

lol, they buffed healing prayers. you people and your conspiracy theories..